four years ago, senator obama and senator mccain asked us to do one with the podium. they did the same this time with the governor and the president. we are not going to argue about the format as long as they don't touch the integrity of the format itself. we think a better format in getting full discussion of issues in depth of discussion of issues is when you are seated at a table, rather than standing behind a podium. >> no one is more aware than you of all the discussion, and a lot of criticism of the first round of debates this season and how jim lehrer moderated. the commission has put out a statement saying he did exactly the way he wanted, which was a much more open format. take us behind the scenes. since that debate happen, how much discussion internally about how to moderate the open format differently this time around. >> susan, nothing has changed. we think jim did exactly what we asked him to do. the only time limits, and they will be tonight also, and the first question is asked, the candidates will have two minutes to respond. after that, there are no